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HarderFaster Forums >> General Mayhem >> How many lessons did you have when you were learning to drive? Author Pages (10):  « Prev ... «  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  [10]      voodoobass a table, mes enfants... Registered: Sep 2003 Posts: 33900 - Threads: 985 Location: somewhere else Quote: krooton wrote on 28-10-2010 04:35 PM Quote: voodoobass wrote on 28-10-2010 03:59 PM Actually depending on your driving style a larger displacement engine can actually be more economical as you don't have to hoof it quite so hard in order to get under way/keep up with fast-moving traffic. Plus a more powerful engine comes into its own when you are carrying more than one passenger. A smaller engine might seem like a good idea but when all of a sudden it takes 10 seconds longer to get up to the right speed to join a motorway you start wishing for a few extra horses.... and as far as economy goes, my 1.9 gives me gobsmacking returns for a petrol car that's over a decade old, according to my OBD2 diagnostics readout I get something like 38mpg @ 80mph and about 30mpg round the town, which is top notch 1.9 is a diesel yes? The golf gets the same urban mpg and better non-urban mpg, and petrol engines usually do worse compared to similarly powered diesels don't they? nup, is petrol. It's a E36 BMW Compact 318ti - originally all the 318s had a 1.8 power plant, halfway through the life cycle they rebored out to 1.9 giving better low-end torque - speed and acceleration figures remained the same but there was a 20% increase in fuel economy. Diesels can save money in terms of fuel economy but they are considerable more expensive to service so if you're not doing a lot of motorway miles in order to make big savings, you might be better off with petrol in the long run anyway. Especially with the new TSI style engines that are coming out - the 1.3 litre turbo/supercharged plant in next year's BMW 1-series is supposedly capable of economy in the high 60's per gallon Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 28-10-2010 16:54 PM voodoobass a table, mes enfants... Registered: Sep 2003 Posts: 33900 - Threads: 985 Location: somewhere else [Edited by voodoobass on 28-10-2010 23:34 PM] [Edited by voodoobass on 28-10-2010 23:37 PM] Quote: idiotsavant wrote on 28-10-2010 04:36 PM Quote: voodoobass wrote on 28-10-2010 03:59 PM Actually depending on your driving style a larger displacement engine can actually be more economical as you don't have to hoof it quite so hard in order to get under way/keep up with fast-moving traffic. Plus a more powerful engine comes into its own when you are carrying more than one passenger. A smaller engine might seem like a good idea but when all of a sudden it takes 10 seconds longer to get up to the right speed to join a motorway you start wishing for a few extra horses.... Wise words. I have an audi coupe FOR SALE. 2.6e V6. It's the most unsuitable car for rural wales, but very economical on long motorway runs. Quick too. Yours for £700. hmm, they're nice to look at but I don't like the really high door sills, when you sit in it it feels like you're inside a box. I'll stick with my Bavarian Bombshell, cheaper to run, more fun to fling round corners I get MPG only just shy of 40mpg on the motorway, and 30 round town, driving in a reasonably spirited/purposeful way. If you drive as economically as possible (constant 57mph, lowest gear wherever possible etc etc) it will probably see something in the mid-40s. She's in the shop at the moment and they've given me a 323i Touring and although that's also lovely to drive I have spent about the same in petrol in the last 3 days as would normally last me about a week thrashing about the country lanes, so I am happy sticking with a 4cyl for now. If I eventually get rich enough to afford something a bit thirstier it'll most likely be another older BMW - I like Audi but I don't really like any of them that much apart from the A5/S5 coupé, which to me is just an attempt to muscle in on the 2-door 3-series market only with a car that's not quite as good, even if it looks the part. Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 28-10-2010 16:55 PM rossy Registered: Sep 2005 Posts: 2213 - Threads: 128 Location: S E London Dont forget DSA standards have gone up - rightly so - although theres still a load of bad new drivers on the road...P plates in tow. Those of u that did it 10-15 years ago had it easy compared to today, a friend of mine is a pretty sound driver but she failed on a technicality...Not giving way to an undecisive bus driver Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 30-10-2010 11:50 AM Lewis Hamiltons beard Registered: Nov 2007 Posts: 21602 - Threads: 1013 Location: Single, in the Pit Lane. Quote: Syfoon wrote on 28-10-2010 12:51 PM Proof that driving is something that comes naturally to some, as you're a superb driver. High praise indeed from an insane petrol head such as yourself. Foon-praise is like beating Simon Cowell in the reasonably priced car. - Urahara Shop • Karakura Town • Purveyor of the Finest Modified Souls - Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 30-10-2010 16:10 PM Lewis Hamiltons beard Registered: Nov 2007 Posts: 21602 - Threads: 1013 Location: Single, in the Pit Lane. Quote: DFJ wrote on 28-10-2010 02:38 PM They're borderline essential for driving in London. I had a manual but it was a pain in the arse. Stop. Start. Stop. Start. Moving...oh wait, no. Stop. Start. Really not, much rather have a manual. - Urahara Shop • Karakura Town • Purveyor of the Finest Modified Souls - Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 30-10-2010 18:00 PM voodoobass a table, mes enfants... Registered: Sep 2003 Posts: 33900 - Threads: 985 Location: somewhere else Quote: Urahara Kisuke wrote on 30-10-2010 05:00 PM Really not, much rather have a manual. I'd have to say depends on the manual. My Vectra was a nightmare in heavy traffic, annoyingly high biting point on the clutch coupled with a weak handbrake and living in a hilly city made for a pretty stressful time sometimes. My mum's car's got a 5-speed steptronic transmission (press up to go up a gear, down to go down a gear) which is quite a nice compromise between the two, you can go full-auto if you're creeping around in traffic, but if the mood takes you, turning off the traction control and using step mode is still fun once you've learned to shift about a half-second earlier than you would in a manual. Also sometimes manual is a shitter in heavy traffic as much because of the extra wear and tear on the clutch mechanism, a car with mostly town miles will always need clutch replaced sooner than a motorway cruiser. Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 31-10-2010 19:25 PM spankster Title Registered: Jan 2006 Posts: 747 - Threads: 19 Location: Location 12 lessons then passed my test, then 15 lessons then passed my test, so 27 lessons + 2 tests. cost me pittance at the time though! Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 01-11-2010 01:31 AM kimba_lee Registered: Aug 2004 Posts: 9971 - Threads: 259 Location: Melbourne [Edited by kimba_lee on 01-11-2010 05:53 AM] Quote: voodoobass wrote on 28-10-2010 02:28 PM a similar amount for me... tbh it's not really about how many hours you do with an instructor, it's the amount of practise you do. I can see why some people end up having to pay for 45 hours of lessons if they don't have their own car to practise in and a long-suffering friend/relative to ride shotgun. Exactly it. DFJ might be interested to know that if she was a youngster in some states in Australia now, she would have to diary log 120 hours of supervised driving while on her L's. (whether people diddle the books is a little difficult to know) Now if you had no parent or relative or friend willing to teach you then it would all be lessons. I think that even if people do lie in the diaries a bit, that because they have come up with the number 120, that people probably try and strive for at least half that and thats 60 hours. I myself had 2 lessons, but I did it in an auto. edit * the reason that they want the hours up is not because they want you to learn the mechanics of driving the car, that isn't the point of it. What they want is for people to experience all different types of conditions whilst driving. So night, sunset, day, raining, heavy traffic, long highway trip etc. They just want them to have a few different experiences under their belts its not about whether they can or can't physically drive a car. "A people that values its priviledges above its principles soon loses both." Dwight Eisenhower Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 01-11-2010 05:50 AM All times are GMT. 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