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HarderFaster Forums >> Serious Discussions >> DMX, I challenge you... Author Pages (16):  « Prev ... «  8  9  10  11  12  [13]  14  15  16      DMX Registered: Dec 2002 Posts: 41886 - Threads: 1671 Location: London Quote: D-Scrace wrote on 22-10-2009 05:48 PM Quote: DMX wrote on 22-10-2009 05:39 PM Feel free. Doesn't she mean that literally anyone can submit whatever they like - not anyone is capable of actually writing anything of any significance or coherence? Yeah, and as I said, she's very welcome to. I look forward to her article. http://www.myspace.com/ThisIsPhase2 “It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” - Carl Sagan Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 22-10-2009 17:55 PM ck breaking the habits, slowly but surely... Registered: Nov 2001 Posts: 87851 - Threads: 4871 Location: Filling a gap Quote: Midas wrote on 22-10-2009 05:12 PM Why are you adamant in turning this thread into yet another ck sorrow story? And keep wondering, it’s none of your business. "adamant"? Sorry, back to about you. I am very doubtful whether history shows us one example of a man who, having stepped outside traditional morality and attained power, has used that power benevolently. CS Lewis Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 22-10-2009 17:56 PM lol u no retired? Registered: Jul 2004 Posts: 26087 - Threads: 347 Location: this thread is now well ruined. I hereby request it to be moved to the new cunt forum. ▄███▄   o.O HF Production teem rulez. winnArz, etc. Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 22-10-2009 19:30 PM kimba_lee Registered: Aug 2004 Posts: 9971 - Threads: 259 Location: Melbourne Quote: DMX wrote on 22-10-2009 05:39 PM Quote: kimba_lee wrote on 22-10-2009 10:27 AM Anyone can write an article and pitch it to a paper or magazine they just have to have the balls to do it Feel free. Actually I am planning on writing but the pain I seem to be in every time I have to write an essay is sort of putting me off. I find cutting all the info I have gathered down into an essay and one argument very frustrating. Even though I can see the appeal of getting into media print for punch factor I doubt it would be something I would aspire to. Far better to write a book I think which gives you ample space to explore all the arguments. Although I do consider how much broad appeal a book about an issue would be outside professional circles so I've been trying to formulate a method where I can get a serious and professionally backed argument into a fictional story. So people will recieve an important message, which is of course biased by my opinion as all writing is, in a palatable way. So that the information is there and yet open to their individual interpretaton. I feel like this would be far more satisfying, to let people piece it together themselves and slowly awaken to the idea, just plant the seeds for them and let them germanate the message. I believe this is a far more powerful way to open people up to a different way of thinking. Well I hope it works anyway. "A people that values its priviledges above its principles soon loses both." Dwight Eisenhower Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 23-10-2009 01:08 AM DMX Registered: Dec 2002 Posts: 41886 - Threads: 1671 Location: London Quote: kimba_lee wrote on 23-10-2009 01:08 AM Actually I am planning on writing but the pain I seem to be in every time I have to write an essay is sort of putting me off. I find cutting all the info I have gathered down into an essay and one argument very frustrating. Even though I can see the appeal of getting into media print for punch factor I doubt it would be something I would aspire to. Far better to write a book I think which gives you ample space to explore all the arguments. Although I do consider how much broad appeal a book about an issue would be outside professional circles so I've been trying to formulate a method where I can get a serious and professionally backed argument into a fictional story. So people will recieve an important message, which is of course biased by my opinion as all writing is, in a palatable way. So that the information is there and yet open to their individual interpretaton. I feel like this would be far more satisfying, to let people piece it together themselves and slowly awaken to the idea, just plant the seeds for them and let them germanate the message. I believe this is a far more powerful way to open people up to a different way of thinking. Well I hope it works anyway. I think putting the drugs argument into a book would miss the point. Giving an anti-drugs person a book to read isn't going to make any difference, whereas a shorter, succinct report is going to be easier to convey. Your idea of "stories" sounds like the Bible. The Parable of the Skinless Toker? http://www.myspace.com/ThisIsPhase2 “It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” - Carl Sagan Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 23-10-2009 01:13 AM kimba_lee Registered: Aug 2004 Posts: 9971 - Threads: 259 Location: Melbourne Quote: DMX wrote on 23-10-2009 01:13 AM I think putting the drugs argument into a book would miss the point. Giving an anti-drugs person a book to read isn't going to make any difference, whereas a shorter, succinct report is going to be easier to convey. Your idea of "stories" sounds like the Bible. The Parable of the Skinless Toker? People don't like to be told how to think. Surely you have realized that by now. I can't imagine how an argument on the legalization of drugs can be short unless its analyzing only one very narrow part of the issue. Like I said it may have punch but it won't stand up to all the different ways people see the issue. People are going to swing around it, they may accept the opinion for that section of the argument but they will have a "but what about this" and "what about that". You are going to let them get away by excusing it as a "yeah, maybe, but". I can't be sure of course, as i haven't read it, but there are plenty of other papers out there on Journal Databases. I often wonder something about people who are for the legalisation of drugs, have you ever looked into whether people who do drugs want them legalized. I know there are good arguments for it, but I can't help but look at alcohol and cigarettes as legal drugs and see the demonisation of them and how ludicrously expensive they are and think nah I'd rather not really. The things you an I will write about are a bit different I guess. Thats why story is a bit different. I study ideas and you studied science. Even though I still think the idea would work for both. A fictional book can still have a lot of research and fact in it. "A people that values its priviledges above its principles soon loses both." Dwight Eisenhower Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 23-10-2009 01:31 AM DMX Registered: Dec 2002 Posts: 41886 - Threads: 1671 Location: London Quote: kimba_lee wrote on 23-10-2009 01:31 AM People don't like to be told how to think. Surely you have realized that by now. I can't imagine how an argument on the legalization of drugs can be short unless its analyzing only one very narrow part of the issue. Like I said it may have punch but it won't stand up to all the different ways people see the issue. People are going to swing around it, they may accept the opinion for that section of the argument but they will have a "but what about this" and "what about that". You are going to let them get away by excusing it as a "yeah, maybe, but". I can't be sure of course, as i haven't read it, but there are plenty of other papers out there on Journal Databases. I often wonder something about people who are for the legalisation of drugs, have you ever looked into whether people who do drugs want them legalized. I know there are good arguments for it, but I can't help but look at alcohol and cigarettes as legal drugs and see the demonisation of them and how ludicrously expensive they are and think nah I'd rather not really. The things you an I will write about are a bit different I guess. Thats why story is a bit different. I study ideas and you studied science. Even though I still think the idea would work for both. A fictional book can still have a lot of research and fact in it. You can easily provide a complete argument for legalisation, so long as you aren't dwelling once a point has been made. Obviously you aren't going to be providing complete scientific analysis of toxicology etc., but that's already been done and can simply be referenced. I think you're asking the wrong question. Whether people who do drugs want them legal or not is irrelevant. There are plenty of other things to consider, such as impact on crime, the economy, the third-world etc. Btw, booze and alcohol are cheap as fuck. Certainly compared to the likes of cocaine. http://www.myspace.com/ThisIsPhase2 “It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” - Carl Sagan Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 23-10-2009 01:48 AM kimba_lee Registered: Aug 2004 Posts: 9971 - Threads: 259 Location: Melbourne Quote: DMX wrote on 23-10-2009 01:48 AM You can easily provide a complete argument for legalisation, so long as you aren't dwelling once a point has been made. Obviously you aren't going to be providing complete scientific analysis of toxicology etc., but that's already been done and can simply be referenced. I think you're asking the wrong question. Whether people who do drugs want them legal or not is irrelevant. There are plenty of other things to consider, such as impact on crime, the economy, the third-world etc. Btw, booze and alcohol are cheap as fuck. Certainly compared to the likes of cocaine. yeah I know the arguments like I said. Alcohol is not going to stay cheap though, its next on the chopping block after cigarettes, we just had a proposal go up this week about lifting the drinking age to 21 and doubling the price of it. I doubt it will get any legs for a while but it definetly is next, people are sick to death of all the alcohol fueled violence going on. Drinking to excess because its seen as acceptable, nothing gets through to people seemingly. Until you can figure out a way to control the use of the very lethal legal drug of alcohol thats already out there you are never going to get anywhere with the others, thats the way I see it. Its sort of like you have to prove that cigarettes and alcohol are not the biggest killers in the world because they are legal, but for some other reason. And you also have to prove that by having them legal it actually does a)make it safer and b)improve the economy and c)lower the illegal trade of them and poor living conditions in the third world. Does that make sense? You already have legal drugs out there, they are the benchmark or the framework already in place. "A people that values its priviledges above its principles soon loses both." Dwight Eisenhower Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged 23-10-2009 02:03 AM All times are GMT. 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